We have been running a troll study. The results will be interesting but I think
a birds eye view can be had just by reviewing these comments.
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This is from one troll over the last several days, last name
Mann. He is not the worst of them, in
fact, I would label him the "best" in terms of conduct, but he is
almost full time. Many others are part
time.
Here is a link to Washington's Blog listing 15 tactics of
the troll to disrupt conversations that go against their corporate
propaganda. Review it first, then
review the troll comments. REMEMBER
this is one of the "nicer trolls".
Also, I put the list of 15 Tactics at the bottom, and a
summary here
1) Start a partisan divide and conquer. Get people fighting, rile everyone up, play the race or religion cards or both. Trying to create defensive posture, especially whilst confusing with odd sentence structure or just discordant comments.
2) Pretend that it is hopeless. You will be crushed by the corporate juggernaut, you will never get past "whining to the choir", your efforts have been worthless.
3) Demand complete fool proof, guaranteed solution and citation, all from peer reviewed science.
4) Suggest extreme over the top "solutions", discredit the community by being too far "out there"
5) Pretend that alternative media is automatically wrong out of the gate. Discredit any blog as a "personal website", pretend they are doing it for pay, or just for "clicks"
6) "Shout Down" reasonable comments, an avalanche of comments and attacks.
7) Use an Army of sock puppets. Troll will drop an attack, get a response, and then a different troll will respond, thus not giving credibility to the response of the person attacked.
8) Censor Social Media so the hardest hitting information is buried. Multiple rapid fire responses, capping, or front running with a blast of drivel or a very long post.
9) When the conspiracy becomes true, pretend that it could never have been foreseen, it was not a credible probably that's why it wasn't considered.
10) Protect the corporate goal by labeling detractors as conspiracy theorists, or nuts, or hippies
11) Become incredulously, indignant, or throw a hissy fit. This is exactly what sociopaths do when you start to back them into a corner.
12) Use a Straw Man, a false position that can easily be knocked down. Have a team troll post up a seemingly genuine argument with weaknesses easy to attack.
13) Hit and Run. Make a brief attack and then don't respond, better yet, show up as another sock and make a complementary attack.
14) Question motives. Twist words and then imply bias or profit motive, put them on the defensive.
15) Associate opponent charges with "old news", pretend the issue is already settled.
Comments from the Troll
The only troll I see here is you, NukePro it's even in your
name! [stock here, what the heck is it talking about] You should go back and figure out how a steam bubble can add
positive
reactivity to an already solid shutdown reactor.
It's just the truth. You seem unstable, so I will spell it
out for you,
you are not welcome in my home, you would be dealt with as a
trespasser,
a stalker, we would take appropriate actions.
Fukushima radiation didn't have any significant negative
health effects,
the irrational fear that you exacerbate on the other hand
has
significant measurable negative health effects....
Please read what you wrote; I did not lie. I use my real
name! I tell
the truth as I see it. I endure your idiotic accusations and
name
calling. I am not a representative of anyone but myself. You
are the one
seriously deluded without a clue, completely taken in by
charlatans
like Arnie Gundrsen who makes millions off of speaking
engagements, book
deals, lawsuit witness fees and his no-profit organisation
from
promoting fear, which hurts people. He doesn't seem to care
as long as
his checks clear the bank. He disgusts me and seems to be
your hero.
Are you publicly stating that you or someone you know put
explosives
inside the core at Fukushima? That seems rather far fetched
even for
you...
You go to great lengths to keep your imaginary conspiracy
theories
alive, you fail to see how ridiculous you sound. No amount
of money
would keep me silent in that situation, your view of the
world is very
twisted.
Yes, I want the truth to get out, it will destroy your
little conspiracy fantasy. Knowledge is better than fear!
Another link to your personal website? When you think the
only place
you can get the "truth" is from yourself, you may
need help...
Link to your personal website? again? How much $$ do you get
per click?
That is a new one, where did you get that 5 people died from
neutron radiation? How do you get away with such false statements?
Why would you post historical fact, when he is attempting to
post a well used meme of the anti-nuclear propaganda machine?
In my experience ENEnews is worse than useless, I have never
read
anything there that was consist ant with my over 35 years of
hands on
experience. There are untruths, hyperbole and outright lies
published
there as if they were news stories. Whoever is responsible
for that site
is causing public harm and as someone who has spent the last
35 years
protecting the public, it truly disgusts me.
How much are you paid?
I have already learned that you don't understand even the
basic
terminology and concepts of nuclear power technology, I will
not visit
your site and by doing so lend an air of legitimacy to it.
Show me any proof that the levels released cause any harm.
You do
realize that you also routinely release radionuclides as
every living
human has done since the beginning.
So you are accusing me of being a murderer in a public
forum? I'm no
lawyer, but isn't that libel? My job is to ensure the safety
of the
public, what is your job?
My opinions are my own I am in no way a spokesperson for the
R. E. Ginna
nuclear power plant, You are in no way a nuclear
professional.
I am having a great science based, reality day, you have a
nice conspiracy driven paranoia based weekend!
If we didn't correct his memes and propaganda people may
actually
believe CaptD's malarkey and have unnecessary stress and
anxiety. "The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men
to do
nothing." We can't sit idle while these fear mongers
hurt people...
Do you know what an I&C technician does? Do you even
know what I&C stands for?
I can't seem to get my sun to shine at night and the wind
doesn't seem
to blow on demand, my refrigerator seems to only work when
it has power.
I guess if its cloudy and the wind is not blowing we can
shut down the
businesses and send everyone home until we have power again,
brilliant!
99% of Fukushima residents should not only be allowed back,
but most of
them would have been better off if they had never been
evacuated.
Brian just is interpreting it as abusiveness, in reality it
is an attempt to teach, replace the irrational fear with knowledge.
When you state that people with correct scientific facts are
lying
trolls and people who obviously make money from fear are
telling the
truth, then there is something wrong with your reasoning
skills or your
integrity.
Radiophobia just describes your irrational fear of
radiation.
, I don't see any term of the six factor formula going very
positive
towards criticality, I am not a reactor engineer or
physicist so my
interpretation may be too basic.
Your psycho-babble is about as valid as your nuclear
knowledge, I would
bet NukePro has been in therapy, being a patient doesn't
qualify you to
give psychiatric advice, any more than having your own
website makes you
a nuclear professional.. But none of this has anything to do
with the
subject and is NukePro's attempt at derailing the discussion
with ad
hominem attacks on people with the knowledge. experience and
education
to debunk his anti-nuclear fear mongering.
I tried to teach you, but you clearly do not have the
capacity to learn,
That is ok, I'm sure there are many people who aren't afraid
to learn.
There were NO CRITICALITY events at Fukushima. I tried to
explain it in
words you could understand, but it seems I failed to
simplify it enough
for you. I hope I did explain it well enough for everyone
else to
understand.
Look up projection on a psychology website. Projection is
the
psychological phenomenon where someone denies some aspect of
their
behavior or attitudes and assumes instead that others are
doing or
thinking so. sociopath
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FROM WASHINGTON'S
Postscript: Over a number of years, we’ve found that the most effective way to fight disruption and disinformation is to link to a post such as this one which rounds up disruption techniques, and then to cite the disinfo technique you think is being used.
Specifically, we’ve found the following format to be highly effective in educating people in a non-confrontational manner about what the disrupting person is doing:
Good Number 1!Or:
Thanks for that textbook example of Number 7!(include the link so people can see what you’re referring to.)
The reason this is effective is that other readers will learn about the specific disruption tactic being used … in context, like seeing wildlife while holding a wildlife guide, so that one learns what it looks like “in the field”. At the same time, you come across as humorous and light-hearted instead of heavy-handed or overly-intense.
Try it … It works
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Update from stock
The trolls have successfully lobbied Facebook to have my account removed, well "restricted" until I provide real proof of identification. A comment posted at ENENEWS
Ya bo, the troll infestation is clear and obvious
Capping every comment
Character assassination
Hundreds and hundreds of troll denials, minimizations, contradictions. They can do 100 without provided one relevant piece of information.
Then they all disappear at once, as if they need to get a strategy from a handler. Then they all come back at once.
Newest method of operation, after 1 or 2 trolls cap hundreds of comments, they make up a brand new troll to take over capping, so that it is not so obvious (although it is plenty obvious) that the troll has no job except to disrupt the conversation. Saw this yesterday, 2 brand new trolls, never seen before anywhere, took up the capping attack.
Finally, multiple trolls threatening libel and defamation lawsuits
Then on the same day, my Facebook account was restricted....they insist using real name and proof with ID/phone numbers. I guess my next Facebook name will at least resemble a real name.
The dying bronto is dangerous even as it falls. Hopefully it won't fall on a beach so at least the whales have room to beach themselves <sick sarc> not to be confused with sick shark.....
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2015/01/fukushima-destroying-pacific-rare-shark.html
Manna from Heaven. Someone notices the nefarious activities of pro nuclear trolls. I've been trolled for several years. I did manage to get one Twitter account shut down. He immediately opened another Twitter account and continued trolling me.
ReplyDeleteDon't worry, we are all going to be gone soon. reaperishere.weebly.com
ReplyDeleteI think the best tactic to follow once a troll is identified is to ignore the troll, and stay on your message. Remember, every keystroke you spend on the troll is a victory for the troll - ignore and stay on point.
ReplyDeleteI was hoping by my "study" on trolls to be able to help create a process whereby they are more quickly eliminated.
DeleteThis is my contribution to removing one tentacle of the vampire squid.
Also, agree, very little point in spending time arguing with trolls, they have a mission. however, exposing their lies has some value.
If there are any "innocent bystanders"!
You will never eliminate the truth. Your efforts are actually helping to usher in a new generation of nuclear proponents and technology. I'm from California. This IP is from the Bay Area. The pulse here is that this is yesterday's news. Time to move on with more productive pursuits.
ReplyDeleteUh no, but the pro nuke trolls are creating quite a few anti nuke activists because people are sick of the lies.
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