http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/09553002.2015.1062571
They did a quick study at WIPP, I think it was only 2 days. They wanted to grow bacteria in a low radiation place and use that to try to "throw out" LNT Linear No Threshold radiation limits so the nuclear cartel can be even sloppier than they are now.
A reader asked me for my take, so I jotted this up quickly
No conclusion, their experimental setup is questionable. I mean why not run the background radiation cultures in "background radiation" rather than try to create a K40 background radiation using salts. Just weird, the only benefit is being in the same location....and then to put the radiated test and the nonradiated in the SAME CABINET?
Why the lousy climate control on the incubator box...the low rad chamber swung from 20RH to 60RH, thats a hella swing for a climate controlled box. The radiated chamber held much better tolerance at 30 to 50RH.
Then when they measured the low rad area with a test device, they decided to ignore the device and instead use a model that showed 20 times less radiation, excuse me?
They draw conclusions that both type of bacteria were heavily effected by rad or no rad, and then for the radiation sensitive bacteria they say our variation was so great that we really can't say anything with any certainty.
I really can't understand the gene testing portion and it is not written clearly.
Plus they were doing this at WIPP, in the underground, and they could only visit the test site quickly twice a day, their total test was 2 days long. So this must have been after the plutonium explosion in WIPP, a questionable place to do bio-testing
Then they want to questionable and not replicated test on special bacteria to be used as a basis for throwing out radiation standards on humans and gifting us with lots more radiation. I would like to see the test repeated at 2 universities that get no funding for any nuclear related program. And the "control" should be at a normal background radiation, not a contrived one using K40.
The link above is the complete study, and it is for free. I may pose a question or two to the authors.
CodeShutdown added some references for related topics
One is free to imagine any possibility when unencumbered by educational stricture. The labels and thematic constructs sometimes seem goofy. Hormesis as adaptive response? Kind of limiting no? Nuclear decay as inevitably damaging? We know that free radicals are important in biology. This has a lot to do with high and low "linear energy transfer"
So in my mind, its not a question of figuring out IF some radiation is integral to biological function, but what interesting functions it may have. More discoveries will be made! Unfortunately the details dont yield to simplification.
Possible mechanisms of necessity of 40K
natural concentration for the normal development of the animal organism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8148982
Uranium salts (!) restore stunted growth in rats in a low radiation environment
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6844555
Suggested is a new conception about participation of natural environmental radiation in stimulation development of cells. According this conception atomic radiation, in low doses, transfer DNA in excited state with formation polaritons, with long time give coherent radiation similar to mitogenic rays
discovered by A. G. Gurwitsch. Paper by Kuzin et al
30Gy stimulated plant growth
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/09553002.2013.734946? journalCode=irab20
More evidence of positive secondary biogenic radiation
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12010-014-1372-6
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Now the Medical Industry is Pushing Radioactive Lead as Medical Treatment
stock here: Doesn't this seem a bit on the medieval side?
Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. Lead itself is horrible for humans, then make it an Alpha radiation emitter.
I think their mantra and legal requirement to "do no harm" is not being met.
They pimp this out as "little damage to adjacent tissues because it is an Alpha emitter"
But they fail to point out that both of its daughter products are strong Beta emitters, which require special shielding during production and operation....but no problem with putting it inside someones body. Sheesh, the mind boggles.
- See more at: http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2015/09/now-medical-industry-is-pushing.html#sthash.J4g3ZqkI.dpufJust because we can, doesn't mean we should. Lead itself is horrible for humans, then make it an Alpha radiation emitter.
I think their mantra and legal requirement to "do no harm" is not being met.
They pimp this out as "little damage to adjacent tissues because it is an Alpha emitter"
But they fail to point out that both of its daughter products are strong Beta emitters, which require special shielding during production and operation....but no problem with putting it inside someones body. Sheesh, the mind boggles.
Now the Medical Industry is Pushing Radioactive Lead as Medical Treatment
stock here: Doesn't this seem a bit on the medieval side?
Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. Lead itself is horrible for humans, then make it an Alpha radiation emitter.
I think their mantra and legal requirement to "do no harm" is not being met.
They pimp this out as "little damage to adjacent tissues because it is an Alpha emitter"
But they fail to point out that both of its daughter products are strong Beta emitters, which require special shielding during production and operation....but no problem with putting it inside someones body. Sheesh, the mind boggles.
- See more at: http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2015/09/now-medical-industry-is-pushing.html#sthash.J4g3ZqkI.dpufJust because we can, doesn't mean we should. Lead itself is horrible for humans, then make it an Alpha radiation emitter.
I think their mantra and legal requirement to "do no harm" is not being met.
They pimp this out as "little damage to adjacent tissues because it is an Alpha emitter"
But they fail to point out that both of its daughter products are strong Beta emitters, which require special shielding during production and operation....but no problem with putting it inside someones body. Sheesh, the mind boggles.
Whoa there cowboy, are you saying there are some isotopes that are "not dangerous"?
ReplyDeleteyou obviously don't read what I right, and I doubt you ever will.
DeleteYou are a pro nuke shrill and that is that.
course codeshutdown says ben fulford is ok too. ben fulford is a known spook and is connectingdots2. anyone can cherry pick results. people with years of hands on experience like helen caldicott in dealing withkids affected by cancer are restricted by educational stricture right code? so this guy is restricted by educational stricure eh code?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nuclearfreeplanet.org/articles/dr-wladimir-wertelecki-on-birth-defects-caused-by-chernobyl-and-how-nuclear-power-devastates-human-health.html
right code? k40 is prt of cell biology but that is why 95 percent of all dna in chromosones is trash and has no function also laying to rest the value of a lot of genome research eugenics and so called genetic biologic therapy originated by fraudulent pceu companies. cystic fibrosis was once a familial disease but because of excess rads in envronment it exists from ionizing radiation mutqtionw. they cannot even viably use ionizing rads to mutate seeds to produce better hybrids the folly of human stupidty and the evil monkeys preoccupation with nuclear. that k40 is in our bodies makes for an additive effect that makes any exposure to otjer isotopes more toxic. So some radiation salts may spur some plant some weird plant pathology for a short time. that is not growth. it is a death throw.Hormesis
Radiation hormesis is a wingnut hypothesis that low doses of external ionizing radiation,within the region of and just above background levels are beneficial to life.
No one even knows what natural backgound levels are anymore. Background levels are growing and have changed significantly in the world since 1945.
Background levels have grown 6 times since the mid fifties as doc has pointed out.
Radiation hormesis conmen and women claim that there are magical unknown reserve mechanisms in the biochemistry and immune system of our bodies that are
are stimulated by radiation and repair damage caused by the glut of manmade radiosiotope pollution and ionizing radiation exposure in that persons lifetime defying billions years of evolution.
ReplyDeleteThe world is now covered with manmade radiosotopes and that never existed in billions of years of evolution.
They throw out a crackpot con that has been banned by the fda because it killed so many people who bought radioactive snake oil. Radiothor radium therapy. All the radiation therapys that supposedly treat cancer. Its all nonsense.
The biochemical mechanisms , metabolic systems, and enzyme systems that exist in our bodies have always had to do so in the presence of K40. Because there is K40 in our bodies that has changed over billions of years of evolution and the cells exposed to it have to . 95 % of our dna is garbage and has no genetic value probably from K40. The toxic window for added radionucleides is more narrow than we can imagine becuase more radionucleides in our body have an additive effect Hormesis is pure bunk and propaganda just as the fluoridation lie and tetraethylead lead in gasoline lies were.
Life is very tenuous, fragile, and precious. There is probably less life in the universe than we imagine if you think about more clearly and critically and do not jump to magic thinking or terribly biased conclusions that fit a money making or military scheme that is dishonest and criminal.
I have stood next to a barrel of refined Uranium 238 which contains 0.7% U235. Does it make a difference when the U235 concentration is 2%. Of course it does. It makes the difference between absobring enough concentrated U235 into your skin and lungs to gaurentee cancer sooner or later . U235 is such a strong alpha emitter even being only 2 percent or even 1 percent of a uranium batch is lethal.
There has never been an incidence of sponateous adaption ro acute radiation poisoning or chronic radiation poisoning in any persons lifetime. Claiming quantum mechanics and homeopathy means there is radiation hormesis just makes the whole thing that more outlandish.
They make outlandish claims that unknown biomedical mechanisms in our bodies are sufficiently effective when stimulated as to not only cancel the detrimental effects of ionizing radiation but also inhibit disease not related to radiation exposure.
Most everyone here knows what radiation therapy does to people.
Manmade Ionizing radiation is destroying the atomic and molecular fabric of our world. It is the gift that keeps on giving
and code repeatedly apologizes for misleading statements yet still comes up with gems like"that all tinnitus is caused by calcification in the inner ear" when it is well known that tinnitus is a major sign of poisoning or damage to nerves and tissue in the ear
ReplyDeleteMahalo!
ReplyDeleteI followed the discussion on EneNews concerning 40K.
It was a little difficult to follow at times, yet am thankful for CodeShutdown's outside-the-box thinking concerning ICRP's seemingly inability to explain how Cs137 could possibly be only twice as risky as 40K. That doesn't make sense to me either.
You are a brave person, imho, to bring up such a discussion on ENEnews. Yet you seem to be correct, in that pro-nukular types might be confounded by it too!
I have a candidate for CodeShutdown's Theme Song: (by the Odds)
Yup, you guessed it ... Eat My Brain (Nooo, not mine)! :lol --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZFPiG8dEBk
Has anyone ever had a cancer attributed to potassium-40? Is it even possible to attribute, or are "risks" only derived?
I thank all people involved in discussion that did not involve ad-homenims, as it has helped me (and likely others, too!) in understanding what seems to be yet another aspect of the "Banana-Equivalent Dose" Lie!
My palate is wetted for more concerning bioluminesence, the half-cell potentials of the Alkali metals, and more!
As for the real and genuine risk of bananas (other that fission-product uptake within) are to the wonderful people that are exploited daily in the growth and harvest of such fruit. :( Those risks are likely, and very sadly, well defined.
http://bananalandmovie.org/
I hate the fucking system, because sociopathic/psychopathic greedy fucks in the system seems to love fucking good people. WTF are we going to do to help them?
No wonder former coworkers from Central America hated the fruit stickers i would pepper my station with. Sadly, i had no clue then what they were angry about. Good guys! Salt of the Earth types, each and every one.
I thank you stock.